15 November, 2005

Refobar (Pronounced Ray-Fo-Bar)

I am taking a Youth Ministry course at the Puritan Reformed Seminary and a minister from the Heritage Reformed Churches is teaching. We have been discussing some of the things that youth groups do that are very far from being glorifying to God and how we want to avoid this as Reformed Christians. We have discussed things such as how all of our ministering needs to be done with the glory of God in mind and how we must keep our theological presuppositions in the forefront of our ministry.

One thing that he (Rev. Kelderman) mentioned that is being done in the Netherlands (and also in Canada) is what is known as the Refobar. Of course I had no idea what he was talking about but he explained:

The Refobar (Slang for Reformed Bar) is when churches host underage drinking parties in their basement knowing that it will attract the youth and they will have the opportunity to minister to them.

Why can't the Presbyterians be so creative?

Hey, Young People's Society.....Scotch anyone?

13 comments:

Droll Flood said...

-Is the drinking age different in the NL?
-You could have the Ray-Lan-bar -short for 'Ray Lanning Bar'(granted they lower the drinking age here in MI.)
-I wonder if Hennie Vandersluis was borrowing a little from this idea with her non-alcoholic 'Dutton bar' she had going for a while. Hmmm...

Mark said...

Hennie was referring more to the community spirit (no pun intended) of a bar than the alcholoic content... she didn't touch the stuff herself. I can only imagine what the Dutton Bar would've been like had there been alcohol. Very interesting indeed. Ah, good times at the ol' Dutton Bar...

Mark said...

That being said, I think that this warrants at the very least a test run. You never know until you try, right?

Droll Flood said...

Test run of what, Mark?...the alcohol? Howabout smoking being allowed too?
Yeah I can see the headlines now:
"Youth society sabbatarian speakeasy broken up"
-"You never know until you try, right?"
...um..."Depth Charge" that idea.

Mark said...

Combining underage drinking with underage smoking? Well, why not? May as well go all-out, eh? I doubt the kids will mind, and really, it's all about the children.

Jeff said...

We live in a litigation happy society here in America. A Ray-Lan-Bar would only end in tears...

Notliberal said...

Sweet fancy Moses! What is wrong with these freaks? First it's the crazy goldfish people now it's drinking with Jesus at the local reformed church. It's enough to make anyone vomit all over the place.

The only way we're going to make any headway with the youths of the world is to hold true to scriptural doctrines. The second we get away from that, focusing on all sorts of entertainment and wickedness is the second we've turned from Christ. Children don't need to be entertained in order to be brought to Christ, they need to be fed spiritually.

gretchenjohnson said...

When I was in youth group, we used to T.P. people's houses and throw road kill on their door steps.

Droll Flood said...

"Combining underage drinking with underage smoking?"
Qualifier:
Granting that it was legal...I'm not advocating lawbreaking...
Not Lib:
I agree: giving them right doctrine is THE right way. the Doctrine of Effectual grace not an effectual brace(r)-'bracer' a pick me up hangover cure... or it could be a drink to knock the edge off being uptight...'social lubricant'

Mark said...

NL is right in the sense that children won't be saved by gimmicks. What they need is the work of the Holy Spirit in them. Then and only then can they have spirits in them to the glory of God.

And yes, I'm with Droll reg. lawbreaking - the laws may be dumb, but they're not the sort of laws that we can break Scripturally. Were they telling us to bow to a giant statue of Colonel Sanders, we could break that law just fine.

Droll Flood said...

"Colonel Sanders"?
-KFC? I won't bow to him but I'm not giving up the biscuits, baked beans, and mashed potatoes.

"we could break that law just fine."
-And the statue as well.

"she didn't touch the stuff herself."
-Not exactly. She once gave me an account of a rum cake that she found to be quite good ...
-A bar isn't really a place that I would see as having an abundance of community spirit. Generally speaking, they are full of people that are out for their own. Now if you're speaking that they are in 'agreement' on this principle...
-A pub would seem to be more likely to be in the order of a community spirit but could be just as much abused as anything.
So Ray-lan-pub...

Manda said...

Wow. Is that for real? We had a grand time with various youth groups in our young teen years. Along with the 6 minutes of drivel and fluff, we had a romping 1 1/2 hours of games like "Wombat womp", "Eagle loves Beagle", "Honey, if you love me..", and "Under the blanket". You can only imagine how many young souls flocked to the Lord through these means. *rolls eyes just a little bit*

Anonymous said...

"you can only imagine how many young souls flocked to the Lord"
amen i say to that. having fun and playing games does not mean having to water the gospel down...
but I think those are 2 separate issues, 1)fun and games and 2) alcohol and dancing parties...


if people have been reconciled through Christ because they came to youth group to play Chubby Bunny, Amen.