29 November, 2005
I have included a few links that have come up during the course of the discussion. They are worth looking into for those interested in the topic of worship.
GI Williamson and others on Instrumental Music http://members.aol.com/rsichurch/worship.html
John Kennedy on Instrumental Music
John M'Donald on Instrumental Music
Brian Schwertley on Musical Instrumentation
We are to teach the whole counsel of God, and sometimes those truths are not very fun to share. But they are a part of the Gospel. In Genesis 22 we have Abraham going to sacrifice his son to God. God provided a scapegoat in the thicket as a type of the coming Messiah.
Praise God that He provided a scapegoat in His son Jesus Christ. May we glean truth from forbidden coloring pages that liberal Christians do not want us to share in our churches or in our homes with our children.
-Share one of your favorite forbidden Bible stories.
25 November, 2005
It looks like the holy day spirit is upon us. Is the Lord pleased?
From Wood TV8:(Cascade Township, November 25, 2005, 12:20 p.m.) It was a dangerous morning on Black Friday at a West Michigan Wal-Mart.
An impatient crowd stormed the doors in the mad rush to get to those door-buster deals inside.
It was an ugly scene when the doors opened at the Cascade Township Wal-Mart. Hundreds of shoppers pushed and shoved their way into the store, trampling a number of customers, sending two to the hospital.
At 5:00 a.m. the doors opened, holiday shoppers rushed in, and immediately one customer is pushed to the ground.
"This is ridiculous. I do not want my life in danger for this," said shopper Karen Dietstra. "This is not worth it. This has been a tradition for years. I don't think that I have to get beat up to try to get a sale."
Two shoppers from Grand Rapids did. One of them, 13-year-old Deja McHerron, had to be taken away by ambulance.
"They stumbled over a pregnant lady and Deja was trying to help her get up. And they stumbled over her and they stepped on her back. And now she's going to the hospital," said McHerron's mother, Deborah.
Duretha Arnold-Youngblood, 37, was also taken to the hospital, complaining of an injured knee. Her husband, Johnny Youngblood, took issue with what he calls a lack of security. Youngblood believes Wal-Mart should hire trained uniformed security guards to help bring order to the early-morning holiday crowd and not leave those duties to Wal-Mart associates.
"They didn't have no security at all," said McHerron's sister, Sierra.
"Wal-Mart did not do enough to protect us," Dietstra said.
What went wrong? Managers at the Cascade Wal-Mart are not commenting at this time.
Even in the most conservative of Reformed and Presbyterian churches you have this problem of entertainment. In these circles this sin will manifest itself in the immature Christian as always needing to chase after a new doctrine or base the "value" of a sermon on whether or not he or she has heard something new. This attitude can be harmful to the Church of Christ. God has chosen to have his people follow the Old Paths...he does not call us to chase after and blaze new ones.
Charles Bridges, in his early 1800s volume to Christian ministers addressed the need for novelty:
The first impressions (of the faith) may have been made rather by the novelty than by the direct power of truth....to live up to the continual excitement of novelty, in preference to the old established truths. This naturally results in an imperfect* apprehension of the Gospel, that fully accounts for defects of Christian temper, as well as for the unsteady resistance to the world...favouratism (sic) in Scripture is both the grandparent of heresy and instability of profession. The Word of God loses its power when displaced from its position, dissevered from its practical connexion (sic), or when a part, however important, is taken for the whole...
*imperfect as in not whole, or not complete.
Bridges sees these people as needing to be novel in faith which leads to a favoratism of certain passages of the bible (examples: John 3.16, I Cor 12 or 13, or Biblical sayings "Judge not", "All in moderation", etc.) which will in turn lead to many types of heresy and discontentment in their faith. The anedote to the problem he also gives: prefer the old established truths. This is the calling of all Christians, immature and well seasoned, do not forsake the old paths for the need to be novel and entertained.
-How can we encourage the immature in faith?
-What personal disciplines will aid in fighting the need to be entertained (however subtle the need is?)
-What spiritual excercises would you recommed for those struggling against this serious sin?
23 November, 2005
I too love Ryle and Spurgeon. May it be duly noted for the sake of my ecumenical spirit.
The latter end of the nineteenth century was a time when preaching was still fantastic in England, but Confessionalism was not. Below is a quote from Ryle on the exalted state of preaching. Any comments?
"A preaching ministry is absolutely essential to the health and prosperity of a visible church. The pulpit is the place where the chief victories of the Gospel have always been won, and no Church has ever done much for the advancement of true religion in which the pulpit has been neglected. Would we know whether a minister is a truly apostolical man? If he is, he will give the best of his attention to his sermons. The minister who exalts the sacraments, or forms of the church, above preaching, may be a zealous earnest, conscientious, and respectable minister, but his zeal is not according to knowledge."
21 November, 2005
This news has not been made public yet, so please do not tell anyone that you found this information here. I received it from an insider. (Hush!) The name will not be released until the end of the year.
Now RBC, Now KC, will be able to live out their dream of watering down the Reformed faith, loosening their commitment to the Reformed Confessions, and begin to become more "relevant" as a "Christian" institution. Congratulations, I am sure that your founders would be really proud of you.
"There is not a square inch in the whole domain of our
human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign
over all,does not cry: 'Mine!' " -Abraham Kuyper
Maybe now they can drop their no smoking policy.
17 November, 2005
IT is evident from the Scripture, that there is yet remaining a great advancement of the interest of religion and the kingdom of Christ in this world, by an abundant outpouring of the Spirit of God, far greater and more extensive than ever yet has been. It is certain, that many things, which are spoken concerning a glorious time of the church's enlargement and prosperity in the latter days, have never yet been fulfilled. There has never yet been any propagation and prevalence of religion, in any wise, of that extent and universality which the prophecies represent. It is often foretold and signified, in a great variety of strong expressions, that there should a time come, when all nations, throughout the whole habitable world, should embrace the true religion, and be brought into the church of God. It was often promised to the patriarchs, that "in their seed all the nations, or (as it is sometimes expressed) all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Agreeably to this, it is said of the Messiah, Psalm 72:11. "That all nations shall serve him," and in verse 17. "Men shall be blessed in him, and all nations shall call him blessed." And in Isaiah 2:2. It is said, that "all nations shall flow unto the mountain of the house of the Lord." And Jeremiah 3:17. "That all nations shall be gathered unto the name of the Lord to Jerusalem, and shall walk no more after the imagination of their evil heart. "That all flesh shall come and worship before the Lord," Isaiah 66:23. "And that all flesh should see the glory of God together," Isaiah 40:5. "And that all flesh should come to him that hears prayer," Psalm 65:2.
-What passages should we pray back to God for the coming of his kingdom?
-What comfort is there in this section of eschatology for the believer?
-What does "thy kingdom come" mean in your own words?
15 November, 2005
One thing that he (Rev. Kelderman) mentioned that is being done in the Netherlands (and also in Canada) is what is known as the Refobar. Of course I had no idea what he was talking about but he explained:
The Refobar (Slang for Reformed Bar) is when churches host underage drinking parties in their basement knowing that it will attract the youth and they will have the opportunity to minister to them.
Why can't the Presbyterians be so creative?
Hey, Young People's Society.....Scotch anyone?
13 November, 2005
12 November, 2005
Charles Haddon Spurgeon has been called the "prince of preachers". His sermons are excellent, three dimensional, and full of life. Spurgeon, as a Minister of the Gospel and a teacher at a Pastor's College, was also a mentor to many men who were pursuing a greater understanding of their relationship with Jesus Christ as they pursued the ministry.
His students would gather under a giant old oak tree for theological questions, to challenge one another, and to edify one another. The great tree became known to Spurgeon's students as "The Question Oak". This is where they would bring theological questions to their teacher. The Question Oak is the location where this event took place:
It has been said that every Friday afternoon, his students were usually asked to exhibit there own ability as preachers and that without prior knowledge of the subject matter. Spurgeon called upon a student to give a message on Zaccheus. The student arose and said:
"Zaccheus was little of stature, so am I. Zaccheus was up a tree, so am I. Zaccheus came down, so will I." The students, as well as Pastor Spurgeon, applauded the "ingenious" performance.
-What place has been important for you for theological discussion in your Christian walk?
-Often the people of God will come into great comfort by meeting up with another Christian in an obscure/unusual place. Have you had this edifying experience?
-What could we do, as Christians, to encourage more theological discussion in "open air areas"?
09 November, 2005
"Isn't it interesting how professing Christians love to honor the dead heroes of the faith, but then "persecute" the living heroes who embrace the very same truths taught and propounded by those heroes who are now in the grave.
Because dead heroes can no longer speak with audible voices against unsound doctrine, impure worship, and tyrannical church governments."
-What are some biblical examples of reform that can be used to humble ourselves and return to the "old paths"?
-Should denominations put weight into the way in which our forefathers interpreted scriptures if they are different than our interpretations?
-How has this played out in the church historically, confessionally, and experientially?
06 November, 2005
When asking modern evangelicals about God's view of sin, besides the notable, "God hates the sin and not the sinner," it is interesting to note that lifestyle choices are often seen as the most heinous of sin. Homosexuality and drunkenness are often cited as being most despicable in the eyes of God.
Scripture has another idea. Notice questions 150 and 151 of the Westminster Larger Catechism show that the sins that are most heinous in the sight of God are those that go against His Word, His Son, and His worship.
This is not how we are taught to think, even in our self-centered American evangelical minds. God is a jealous God for His worship...His name IS jealous.
Q. 150. Are all transgressions of the law of God equally heinous in themselves, and in the sight of God?
A. All transgressions of the law of God are not equally heinous; but some sins in themselves, and by reason of several aggravations, are more heinous in the sight of God than others.
Q. 151. What are those aggravations that make some sins more heinous than others?
A. Sins receive their aggravations,
1. From the persons offending if they be of riper age, greater experience or grace, eminent for profession, gifts, place, office, guides to others, and whose example is likely to be followed by others.
2. From the parties offended:if immediately against God, his attributes, and worship; against Christ, and his grace; the Holy Spirit, his witness,and workings against superiors, men of eminency, and such as we stand especially related and engaged unto; against any of the saints, particularly weak brethren the souls of them, or any other,and the common good of all or many.
3. From the nature and quality of the offense: if it be against the express letter of the law, break many commandments, contain in it many sins: if not only conceived in the heart, but breaks forth in words and actions, scandalize others, and admit of no reparation: if against means, mercies, judgments, light of nature, conviction of conscience, public or private admonition, censures of the church, civil punishments; and our prayers, purposes, promises, vows, covenants, and engagements to God or men: if done deliberately, wilfully, presumptuously, impudently, boastingly, maliciously, frequently, obstinately, with delight, continuance, or relapsing after repentance.
4. From circumstances of time and place: if on the LordÂs day, or other times of divine worship; or immediately before or after these, or other helps to prevent or remedy such miscarriage if in public, or in the presence of others, who are thereby likely to be provoked or defiled.
-If Dispensationalists were right on the negation of the law, then by what standard are we to judge the lawfulness of an act?
-What are some biblical examples of God's punishment for false worship?
-By what standard do "New Testament" Christians worship? What does worship look like and contain?
Here is an article that was in the Religion section of the Grand Rapids Press on October 29th concerning the Puritan Resource center at the Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary:
GRAND RAPIDS -- Believing the 17th-century Puritans have much to say to today's Christians, the Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary has opened one of the world's largest collections of books by and about Puritans.
Hundreds of rare, antiquarian books line the shelves of a room off the library in the small seminary at 2965 Leonard St. NE. Some books date to the early 1600s. Some were never reprinted, and only a few copies exist. "The strength of this library is all of the antiquarian books," said seminary President Joel Beeke, who collected most of the books, starting when he was 14 years old. He expects researchers from around the world to take advantage of the center, dedicated Oct. 20. About 2,500 volumes in all, with another 500 coming soon, surround one of the centerpieces of the valuable collection -- three rebound volumes of "The Works of William Perkins" from 1612 to 1613, one of a couple hundred sets in the world and once owned by famous 19th-century England preacher Charles Spurgeon.
Perkins is considered one of the fathers of Puritanism, a movement that began in the late 16th century to apply the philosophy of John Calvin to daily life. Followers, who spread from England, Scotland and the Netherlands to North America, sought to purify the church and promote holiness in Christian life and society.
Puritans have sometimes been confused with New England's pilgrims, who more radically separated themselves.
However, Puritans were more theologically advanced and tried to "bring every area of life into subjection with the glory of God," Beeke explained.
The movement faded in the early 18th century and briefly was revived in essence by Jonathan Edwards in the Great Awakening of the 1740s.
Today, few Christian denominations have direct ties with Puritan churches. The Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church "harks directly to late Scottish Puritans," Beeke said. And his Heritage Reformed Church has "a fairly direct line" to the Dutch Second Reformation, a parallel movement to Puritanism. But Puritanism is alive, said Beeke, through several book publishers, such as Banner of Truth Trust, Soli Deo Gloria and Reformation Heritage Books, based at the 20-student seminary.
Beeke, 52, is a major contributor. He has written or edited 50 books, mainly on Puritan thought, and more than 1,500 articles. He's also had a hand in English translations of Dutch Puritan books and reprints of books written in England and New England that never before reached a modern printing press.
Modernizing a faith
"We want to emulate their (the Puritans') godliness and holiness and translate the foundations they laid into contemporary applications," Beeke said. "A number of scholars have a life goal of promoting a contemporary kind of Puritanism." Pastor of the 750-member Heritage Netherlands Reformed Congregation at 540 Crescent St. NE in Grand Rapids, Beeke said he is humbled by the new library. "I put my life's equity into it," he said. "It's my personal dream."
To protect it, the seminary installed an expensive oxygen-sucking Halon fire suppression system in the climate-controlled room. Beeke's goal is to reprint more books and digitize some volumes. He also plans to study Francis Roberts' 1,750-page "God's Covenants with Man" from 1657 for teaching a course at the seminary.
In addition to the antiquarians, the collection includes contemporary writings and every North American doctoral dissertation on Puritan philosophy.
Researchers may use the resource center by calling 977-0599, ext. 120.
03 November, 2005
Not as a way to lift myself up or because I am a self centered & self serving jerk, but because I would like to share part of what the evangelical world calls "testimony" by way of quiz.
This quiz deals with my Christian experience. Please take the quiz and instead of discussion points we can have questions about the quiz and discussion on how well you have done.
I know that this is a little out of the ordinary for PRESBYTERIAN THOUGHTS: living a well thought out life, but a little fun once in awhile is good for us.
The quiz by PRESBYTERIAN THOUGHTS
If one knows the love of God in Christ, he is delighted to come to God in prayer. If one has bent the knee to Christ in humble submission then God is well pleased to allow this believer to storm the mercy seat. But what about others? What about those who desire to come to God on their terms? How about those that believe (or feel in today's context) they need to come to God through a created mediator such as angels, saints, or beads? What is God's response to these prayers? What prayers does God hear?
Christopher Love, an English Presbyterian during the mid 1600s answers for us the question, "What prayer does God hear?"
DOCTRINE: A man must be brought into a state of friendship or reconciliation with God before any prayer he makes can be accepted.
I will prove this doctrine by three reasons.
1. God does not accept the person for the prayer's sake, but the prayer for the person's sake. We read in Genesis 4:4: "God had respect unto Abel, and unto his offering." It was first to Abel and then his sacrifice. God accepted his service because his person was in a state of favor with Him. God is first pleased with the worker before He can accept the work. This is also laid down in Hebrews 11:5: "By faith Enoch was translated, that he should not see death, for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Now without faith in Christ to justify your person, you cannot please God. Here lies the great difference between the papists and us. The papists say that works justify the person; we say the person justifies the works, for make the tree good and the fruit must be good.
2. Until we are brought into that state of reconciliation, we have no share in the intercession, satisfaction, and righteousness of Jesus Christ. And till we have a share in them, our prayers cannot be accepted. Jacob could not receive the blessing from the father but in the garments of his elder brother; nor can we receive anything from the hands of God but in the robes of Christ. No prayer can be accepted by God but in and through the intercession of Jesus Christ. If Christ is not an intercessor in heaven, no prayer will be heard on earth. In Revelation 8:3, it is written that there was "an angel that came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." The word in Greek has this purpose: that He should add in prayers to the prayers of the saints. It is as if the prayer of Christ and a believer were all one. In Isaiah 56:7 God promises, "I will bring My people to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer." Our prayers are but as so many ciphers that signify nothing till the intercession of Christ is added to them. Without that they cannot be accepted.
3. Till we are in a state of friendship and reconciliation, we do not have the assistance of God's Spirit to help us; and if we do not have the assistance of the Spirit, we shall never find acceptance with Him. All requests that are not dictated by the Spirit are but the breathings of the flesh, which God does not regard. Now, till we are reconciled to God, we cannot have the Spirit. Galatians 4:6: "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts crying, Abba, Father." So that till you are sons, you cannot have the Spirit.
1.What is the first prayer that you remember praying?
2. How do we know what biblical prayer is?
3. How can this be true as well as God's answering of "common grace prayers"?