tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post6241111009222795451..comments2023-09-20T04:42:34.757-07:00Comments on presbyterian thoughts: Going to the Creation Museum this Sabbath....What?NPEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05876228480961585856noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-40543864592688353732007-08-05T13:57:00.000-07:002007-08-05T13:57:00.000-07:00Well done, Nathan!Well done, Nathan!Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07396284899730478332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-72741242921555553712007-08-04T16:47:00.000-07:002007-08-04T16:47:00.000-07:00Sin isn't a weight, it's something that is in oppo...Sin isn't a weight, it's something that is in opposition to God. I can't say that something "wrong" is pleasing to God because of something "right" that seems more important. In other words, it's not alright to steal shoes to give to my mother. God makes it possible for us to live our lives in a way that is completely pleasing to Him. We can't rationalize sin, no matter how much we may want to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-18404864495985501952007-08-03T18:49:00.001-07:002007-08-03T18:49:00.001-07:00PaulI do not believe in situational ethics. I beli...Paul<BR/>I do not believe in situational ethics. I believe that what God has said is right or wrong is right or wrong.An Eshelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635336132505979880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-79293615763520602132007-08-03T18:49:00.000-07:002007-08-03T18:49:00.000-07:00I'm not trying to dispute that, I just think that ...I'm not trying to dispute that, I just think that we have to be carefull pointing a finger when it is possible that the benefits might outweigh the negatives in this situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-85792691821897770382007-08-03T18:48:00.001-07:002007-08-03T18:48:00.001-07:00PaulThe New Testament Lord's Day is the Sabbath si...Paul<BR/>The New Testament Lord's Day is the Sabbath since the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. This was followed in the book of Acts as well as we see this from the Apostle John in Revelation.<BR/><BR/>The Old Covenant people looked ahead to the coming of Messiah and met the last day of the week. The New Covenant looks back on the promise and meets on the first day of the week, the day in which the Lord Jesus was raised from the dead.An Eshelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635336132505979880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-23066041328360265742007-08-03T18:48:00.000-07:002007-08-03T18:48:00.000-07:00Why do people asume that everyone's Sabbath is on ...Why do people asume that everyone's Sabbath is on Sunday? Should a museum close on one of it's most profitable days because of a rigid sense of the law? You have a good point that things appear a little off but the bigger question should be, "Do they allow a Sabbath for their employees or just work them when ever?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-1092369106909652122007-08-03T18:45:00.000-07:002007-08-03T18:45:00.000-07:00I agree Mark, we should not throw the dinosaur out...I agree Mark, we should not throw the dinosaur out with the bathwater.An Eshelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635336132505979880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-52523112899770630282007-08-03T15:21:00.000-07:002007-08-03T15:21:00.000-07:00Just to be clear, I'm not making an argument that ...Just to be clear, I'm not making an argument that the CM violating the Fourth Commandment is somehow OK. All I'm saying is that the whole thing shouldn't be written off because of it.<BR/><BR/>The last thing the reactionaries I read were thinking about was the Fourth Commandment. They were too busy expressing shock that people would still believe in Creationism and trying to figure out ways to outlaw it. Seriously.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06229664869019275181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-22303340167492495352007-08-03T11:26:00.000-07:002007-08-03T11:26:00.000-07:00Nathan, I'm also not sure what the implications of...Nathan, I'm also not sure what the implications of the Sabbath are today. While I believe that "there still remains a Sabbath rest", I'm not so sure that we treat it in the same way as the Jews did. For example, why don't you have problems with people who grill (kindling a fire)? Is it appropriate for me to stay in a hotel or let someone cook me breakfast on the Sabbath? Should Covfamikoi use the facilities over the Sabbath?<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to merely stir up controversy on this one, I think it really is something that I and others don't understand. (Even after reading the Shorter and Larger Catechisms).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-1926205470006305722007-08-03T11:20:00.000-07:002007-08-03T11:20:00.000-07:00Perhaps they think of the museum as an act of merc...Perhaps they think of the museum as an act of mercy? Although I'm not sure that mercy should come at such a price!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-33067612973786432662007-08-02T20:51:00.000-07:002007-08-02T20:51:00.000-07:00Buying and selling is punishable by death in the S...Buying and selling is punishable by death in the Sabbath laws.<BR/><BR/>Isn't gathering wood for fires,too? And violating the sabbath by collecting manna?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-64984398603697460312007-08-02T20:48:00.000-07:002007-08-02T20:48:00.000-07:00On a lawful tangent, when was the last time anyone...On a lawful tangent, when was the last time anyone heard of a person going under church discipline for violation of the Sabbath?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-69939445030195356872007-08-02T20:00:00.000-07:002007-08-02T20:00:00.000-07:00I am sure that it is a great place. Mr. P affirms ...I am sure that it is a great place. Mr. P affirms that it was a great place to visit. <BR/><BR/>It is very sad though that they violate the Lord's Day out rightly. This is not a violation of personal conscience, but outright violation.<BR/><BR/>Example, Some Sabbath keepers are offended when people grill on the Sabbath, okay... I am not. But that is a point of conscience. Buying and selling is punishable by death in the Sabbath laws. I am sure that is obvious that we are not to buy and sell on the Lord's Day. <BR/><BR/>I hope that Mr. Ham does repent publicly. That would make a HUGE impact on Christians and Non-Christians alike!<BR/><BR/>As for the media outcry- they are outraged because they hate Christ and his Word. They would be more angry with a public stand upholding the 4th commandment!An Eshelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635336132505979880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-20554111331523952902007-08-02T18:42:00.000-07:002007-08-02T18:42:00.000-07:00Ah... I'm fairly certain that their being open on ...Ah... I'm fairly certain that their being open on Sunday doesn't mean they're any less committed to six-day creation. It's not right that they're open on Sunday, of course, and it does distract from what is by all accounts a wonderful place. (I have the utmost respect for my source.)<BR/><BR/>For what it's worth, I've seen some of the world's response to the Creation Museum, and they're enraged. It's rather sad to see the wicked spew such hate, but it's to be expected. But I don't think any of them were bringing up the Sabbath issue.<BR/><BR/>The Creation Museum should be called to repentance on this issue, but we would all do well to remember that we each violate the commandments in our daily walk. Thankfully, that doesn't make us pointless, nor does the CMs shortcomings make it pointless. They've already had 100,000 visitors, hopefully they'll continue to grow in a God-honoring way. Worth praying for, at any rate.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06229664869019275181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-30994358957012681922007-08-02T18:32:00.000-07:002007-08-02T18:32:00.000-07:00Oy vey. What's the point in having this museum if ...Oy vey. What's the point in having this museum if they aren't going to honor the Sabbath? For people who claim to be all about Genesis and 6 day creation, it's utterly ridiculous to then forget the 7th day in which the Lord rested.steveandjannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347954290352661635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-49059227708004957342007-08-02T16:41:00.000-07:002007-08-02T16:41:00.000-07:00We saw the same thing and couldn't believe it. Thi...We saw the same thing and couldn't believe it. This is so contrary to the whole point of the museum. Our boys have been waiting and excited for the museum to open. Then I saw the add "Open 7 days a week" and was shocked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com