tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post4317241648918464188..comments2023-09-20T04:42:34.757-07:00Comments on presbyterian thoughts: A Sad Withdrawl: Further Division in the Body of ChristNPEhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05876228480961585856noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-18887128433331442022008-02-04T10:23:00.000-08:002008-02-04T10:23:00.000-08:00I am not so confident that they are brethren in Ch...I am not so confident that they are brethren in Christ, as some FVers deny Justification by Faith Alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-48797510007759822622008-01-30T21:42:00.000-08:002008-01-30T21:42:00.000-08:00Could it be that he is appealing his trial to anot...Could it be that he is appealing his trial to another body of saints? While I strongly disagree with the Federal Vision, and many subsequent theological trajectories, they still are brothers. This past PCA GA came down very harshly on the FV, making it quite clear that the PCA is not their place. But the OPC is struggling with it more so. (odd) <BR/><BR/>The best critique of Auburn Theology is T. David Gordon's essay in Sola Fide published by Crossway.Robbie Schmidtbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09198009060645096467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-31533538708394058462008-01-29T09:16:00.000-08:002008-01-29T09:16:00.000-08:00Nate,All in all I think this was a good move. Yes,...Nate,<BR/><BR/>All in all I think this was a good move. Yes, it saddens me that the Church left the PCA, but at the same time there could have been greater repercussions had Wilkins been put through trial. Trials sometimes make people out to be martyrs. It seems to me, and Lane can clear this up if I'm wrong, that things have settled down a bit and many FVists in the PCA realize that the denomination is serious about the FV being heterodoxy, and thus are a little more reticent about fighting a battle they know they can't win.srutherford77https://www.blogger.com/profile/02916413323262318024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-80573145286802151812008-01-29T08:04:00.000-08:002008-01-29T08:04:00.000-08:00The Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge...The Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge, which is the second charge (of not finding a strong presumption of guilt in Wilkins). Therefore, they would not have been tried on that charge. It remains to be seen what will happen with the first charge. But to the first charge (of not cataloguing the differences that Wilkins had with the Standards) the presbytery had pled not guilty. That would currently be the trial scheduled in March. The Presbytery also voted to refer the whole matter of Wilkins to the SJC. So what the SJC was going to do next was draw up a new prosecution team, and charge Wilkins with teaching heterodoxy. Even then, it probably would have been just Wilkins, not the session. Hope this clears things up a bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-49199005310154611502008-01-29T07:30:00.000-08:002008-01-29T07:30:00.000-08:00Is this because the case had not been tried yet?I ...Is this because the case had not been tried yet?<BR/><BR/>I stand corrected- due process is a good thing! :)An Eshelmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635336132505979880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-45705321463101737652008-01-29T07:22:00.000-08:002008-01-29T07:22:00.000-08:00Thanks for your vote of confidence, Nate. Unfortun...Thanks for your vote of confidence, Nate. Unfortunately, there are some inaccuracies in your statement. The congregation was not in a court case. Only the Presbytery was under indictment. The session has not been charged with teaching things contrary to the Word of God. They leave as a church in good standing, and Steve Wilkins leaves as a minister in good standing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-83108204654533369462008-01-29T05:21:00.000-08:002008-01-29T05:21:00.000-08:00I think there's a CREC church near my folks beach ...I think there's a CREC church near my folks beach house in Ludington. Janna and I went there once, we won't be back. Nice enough people, terrifying service. The way they did communion was totally nuts, not to mention they were stuffing bread and wine into the mouths of 2 month olds.steveandjannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347954290352661635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14603359.post-76457968816682097842008-01-28T16:45:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:45:00.000-08:00Ah, Zion, City of God--"by schisms rent assunder, ...Ah, Zion, City of God--"by schisms rent assunder, by heresies distress'd"! May God grant grace and healing even in this midst of this new separation.Esteban Vázquezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738869673774603152noreply@blogger.com